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Post by adrian on Sept 11, 2013 7:47:13 GMT -5
I agree with you on that one, Alex - but how many other players would want to play their own game? While I am not saying that people will automatically target anyone for being IRL friends, I think the IRL friends would find it easier to team up against other players simply because they know their friends and can mostly rely on them, as well as have a better idea of how they think. There is that old adage of sticking with the devil you know as opposed to the one you don't.
I know if I played, it would be about getting to know everyone like it is day one of a new game and only really judging where I stand with the people in the game, based on how things in the current game are playing out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 7:54:48 GMT -5
I think targeting people because they are friends outside of the game is absolutely stupid. First of all it's a game and everyone wants to win (especially in an AS season) and a true friendship will not end because you voted the other out. So it's not really a factor. Likewise, if anything making a big deal about having a million tengageders or Offensive/Chronicles people only makes those people stick together since everyone else is out to get them. Everyone wants to go into AS to play their own game. That's hard to do when you are forced to work with people just based on outside relations/assumptions from other players. Just some food for thought. Fans vs. Favorites and Heroes vs. Villains suffered terribly at the hands of pre-existing relationships and cliques from other seasons and series it's just one of those inevitable things. But that's not to say that it hurt those seasons but you could definitely tell who were there to keep their friends together and do much dirty work off their own back and crave constant reassurance from their own people (HvV: Tom, Morgan, Erin, Stephen) as opposed to those wanting to play the game a bit more hardcore and wanting to take big risks but would be treated like dirt in the eyes of the former (HvV: Jeffrey, Juice, Jordan) (FvF: Lorii, Joey) Both those games were very similar because despite the magnitude of it, people forgot about the whole intention of Survivor and it's make it to the end. Will All Stars 3 be different? Who knows, Sandy is the guy making the ultimate call on what's going to happen and all we can do is wait. Adrian brought up a good point with Mexico in that people were willing to turn their back on their friends before their friend could turn on them and although it would be tiring to witness as a player, a viewer eats that up and asks for seconds! Lorii & I won our respective seasons because we were at the bottom of the totem and we took measures to shake things up, the jury respected that and gave us the votes so it's not all doom and gloom. Bottom line is that no matter how many friends you go in with, you're obligated to vote one another out. You just need the balls to do it and hope that people respect the move, nobody can blame their elimination on anybody but themselves.
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Post by kurtis on Sept 11, 2013 8:01:45 GMT -5
I'm sending anthrax to anyone who votes me out. Ever.
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Post by adrian on Sept 11, 2013 8:46:15 GMT -5
I'm sending anthrax to anyone who votes me out. Ever. Yes please
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Post by alex on Sept 11, 2013 13:52:46 GMT -5
I agree that it tends to happen and it's an easy way out. However more times than not, people are forced into playing with their IRL friends cause people are too scared they het to know each other and they can't really work with anyone else. I've seen it happen in plenty of occasions.
It's easy to accuse people of pre gaming or aligning with their friends, but the moment you start throwing that in someone's face is when you make them do what they wanna do. It's survival, and when you have nowhere else to run because you're accused of being with someone you are damn sure going to stick with that someone.
A powerful clique CAN dominate a game but so can a loyal and strong alliance. Talking about FvF I don't think there was a clique or pre existing that controlled the whole thing at all. At least I was unaware of it the whole game.
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Post by ju1ce on Sept 11, 2013 15:52:34 GMT -5
I don't think it's so much people are scared to get to know each other but I think it comes down to being able to trust someone when it comes down to the game. I can spend all day every day getting to know someone but it really won't matter when it's so much easier to stick with someone you've created an irl bond with. I totally agree that pre-existing friendships irl or otherwise, should have no relevance on voting people out. It's Survivor. Only one can win but having said that, I don't agree with people being "forced" to play with their friends. People choose to do so and if you're going to tell me that Allstars 3 will be different, I am pretty skeptical about that... especially given how many people who have played iS during the most recent seasons have actually met and hung out on more than one occasion. All or most of which are definite allstar caliber players imo. Should be interesting to say the least.
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Post by billy on Sept 11, 2013 16:15:33 GMT -5
I don't know anyone irl. Am I fucked if I make Allstars???
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Post by cassy on Sept 11, 2013 16:16:04 GMT -5
JOE ILY I'm sorry .
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Post by kirin on Sept 11, 2013 18:18:11 GMT -5
I think it's kind of a personal thing, to be honest. I mean, I might get critics for saying this. But over this summer I voted someone out at the final 4 who I consider to be one of my best ORG friends ever (basically like an IRL friend). They ripped into me at FTC and didn't vote for me to win, but him and I are now closer than we've ever been before. The person I kept over him doesn't even seem to care to talk to me anymore, which based on my relationship with them in the game, I didn't see this coming. So like, even though I still feel like I made the best strategic move, it's been over a month and I still feel really bad about it. I do believe a strong friendship will still survive regardless of what happens during the game (like mine did), and while I definitely don't think that people should feel pressured to stick with their friends, I'm someone that will support people choosing friendships over the game.
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Post by a11an on Sept 11, 2013 19:39:39 GMT -5
I met Kirin in the very first ORG I ever played, and she was nice to me and I voted her out. Glad of it! Betch!
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Post by Joe on Sept 11, 2013 20:24:06 GMT -5
Love you to Sassy!
unless thats for the other Joe.
Honestly going into Mexico I felt it as both a blessing and curse to see tengaged people. I wasn't aware that Sandy would cast that many people from there and if he did I expected it to be people I really didn't know. I felt that I could definitely trust them all early game but had to also go with the dynamics of the entire cast. It was definitely difficult to juggle and it definitely showed in my confessionals/gameplay.
Regardless, it was a blast and basically what I want to say is that pre existing relationships can help just as much as they can hurt you. Especially in Survivor! I had a blast and its all for fun and I would hope that new people with pre existing relationships can see it for it is. A game!
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Post by cassy on Sept 11, 2013 20:35:32 GMT -5
it was directed to you
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Post by im1ke on Sept 12, 2013 20:55:14 GMT -5
Hello All!!!
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Post by M4TTH3W on Sept 12, 2013 23:35:40 GMT -5
I am honestly gonna try to follow this season as close as I possibly can! It seems I have a lot of catching up to do! /allnighter
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Post by tom on Sept 14, 2013 18:04:30 GMT -5
The beauty/devastation of an All Stars season is that everyone is there to play the game with vastly different intentions. As already perfectly outlined by others, some are there to win AT ALL COSTS, and others are there to keep their friends together AT ALL COSTS. No surprise, the first 2 All Stars versions of this series (along with FvF), the person who played with the former mindset emerged victorious over the latter. Would that trend change in AS3? To be determined.
On some intrinsic level, yes, everyone jumps on board an All Stars season to "win." As much as I jokingly (or do I?) glamorize the GLORY SPOT, of course I would've loved to win this series for once. That would've been tightizzle. But for me personally, I couldn't ever rationalize having to vote out someone like the golden boy / my best friend Richard (in either China OR Ireland when it would've behooved me game-wise to do it both times). I never dared vote out Morgan/Stephen/Erin toward the end of HvV even though Stephen/Erin had thoughts of cutting me loose at some point.
But that's just me. I'm a softie. It's why I've never won, and yet that's fine. I like me this way. If I was ever gonna win one of these things, I would want my game to go a very specific way relationally speaking. Yeah, I'm not very flexible, and it always pigeonholes me into a very small likelihood that I can actually win the way I want to. But hey, if I'd won HvV I'd have felt like a million bucks not having to off the people I'd grown closest to in that game.
Alas, this is what I always love about the show and this very ORG: people playing with the same basic mindset of "winning," but everyone's definitions of and routes toward "winning" being so fascinatingly different. Especially in All Stars seasons when relationships are ratcheted up to a whole new level.
I can't wait to see how AS3 shakes out. I hope people keep their friends, I hope people off their friends. I hope people laugh, I hope people cry. I hope someone awesome gets the GLORY SPOT. It's gonna be great.
Well. Unless 27 people are cast.
And 1 of those is Andii.
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