Episode #8 and #9: Conversations

[joe]

[2013-10-07 6:43:08 PM] Joe Purcell: Uggggggggggh.
[2013-10-07 6:45:40 PM] Jermainey: lol whaat??
[2013-10-07 6:49:54 PM] Joe Purcell: Ricky and David talking to me. -_-
[2013-10-07 6:49:59 PM] Joe Purcell: Trying to tell me that you and I are gone when they go.
[2013-10-07 6:50:51 PM] Joe Purcell: I mean I don't buy what they're sellin', it's just awk.
[2013-10-07 7:24:31 PM] Jermainey: I'm on a call with him
[2013-10-07 7:25:41 PM] Joe Purcell: Yeah he wanted me to go on call but I said no.
[2013-10-07 7:25:42 PM] Joe Purcell: Lol.
[2013-10-07 8:20:23 PM] Joe Purcell: You realize that this now means it's going to be a jury of seven with a final two, right?
[2013-10-07 8:20:51 PM] Jermainey: what was it originally gonna be?
[2013-10-07 8:20:55 PM] Jermainey: final 3...jury of 7?
[2013-10-07 8:21:01 PM] Joe Purcell: That's what I was expecting.
[2013-10-07 8:21:08 PM] Jermainey: oh yeahhh
[2013-10-07 8:21:09 PM] Joe Purcell: It's been done before.
[2013-10-07 8:28:07 PM] Joe Purcell: I don't know why Woods has to "have fun with it."
[2013-10-07 8:28:14 PM] Joe Purcell: God I wish we could just vote his dumb ass out. >_>
[2013-10-07 8:28:20 PM] Jermainey: -_-
[2013-10-07 8:28:22 PM] Jermainey: can we please?
[2013-10-07 8:28:24 PM] Jermainey: lmao
[2013-10-07 8:28:55 PM] Jermainey: idk why
[2013-10-07 8:28:59 PM] Jermainey: he was soooo cocky
[2013-10-07 8:29:05 PM] Jermainey: is sooooo cocky
[2013-10-07 8:29:17 PM] Jermainey: his position in this game has been very....rocky
[2013-10-07 8:30:57 PM] Joe Purcell: I don't know WHY he is so arrogant but it's so annoying.
[2013-10-07 8:31:21 PM] Jermainey: you would think he would be happy to be back in the game
[2013-10-07 8:31:28 PM] Jermainey: and play nicely
[2013-10-07 8:32:09 PM] Joe Purcell: Also, jury management.
[2013-10-07 8:32:29 PM] Jermainey: exactly
[2013-10-07 9:31:03 PM] Jermainey: i am soooo tired
[2013-10-07 9:32:42 PM] Joe Purcell: Yeah.
[2013-10-07 9:32:46 PM] Joe Purcell: I need to be tired.
[7:35:36 AM] Joe Purcell: Every part of me right now wants to stop, lay back down, and go back to sleep.
[7:35:53 AM] Jermainey: LOL too early?
[7:36:03 AM] Joe Purcell: Yes ugh.
[7:36:14 AM] Jermainey: you know i just completely passed out last night
[7:36:21 AM] Jermainey: like...i couldnt function
[7:36:41 AM] Jermainey: i woke up and was laid across my couch
[7:36:49 AM] Jermainey: so i go to the bathroom, take off my glasses
[7:37:00 AM] Jermainey: and start pulling on my eyeballs thinking i was wearing my contacts
[7:37:30 AM] Joe Purcell: Loooooooooooool.
[7:37:35 AM] Joe Purcell: I've done that before.
[7:38:09 AM] Jermainey: i didnt even realize i had done it until this morning
[7:38:16 AM] Jermainey: cause my contact case was still open
[7:42:17 AM] Joe Purcell: I remember one time when I was living in residence, I woke up and my eyes were so damn heavy and I had no idea why, but I had to get up and get ready for the day. I went to go grab my things to go to the bathroom to get ready, and saw my lens case just like... sitting there, already open, with solution in it. But my contacts weren't in it. I was so confused.
[7:42:34 AM] Joe Purcell: Then I touched my eyes, and realized I'd passed the fuck out somewhere between getting ready to take them out and actually taking them out. Lmao.
[7:42:45 AM] Jermainey: hahahahahaha
[7:43:04 AM] Jermainey: you just gave up you were so t ired
[7:44:00 AM] Joe Purcell: Yeah I guess so lol.
[7:44:20 AM] Joe Purcell: I think I'm gonna bring my laptop to this class so I can function.
[7:45:03 AM] Jermainey: i should bring coffee with me so i can function
[7:45:11 AM] Joe Purcell: I am also doing that.
[7:45:16 AM] Jermainey: LOL
[7:45:22 AM] Joe Purcell: I'm drinking some now, and then bringing what I don't drink with me to class.
[7:45:24 AM] Jermainey: how typical college student of you
[7:45:41 AM] Joe Purcell: Yeah I'd be on a brochure if I wasn't white.
[7:46:15 AM] Jermainey:
[7:46:35 AM] Joe Purcell: Because of how college brochures show multicultural groups. :3
[7:46:48 AM] Jermainey: umm that includes white people DUH
[7:46:53 AM] Joe Purcell: NUH UH.
[7:46:56 AM] Jermainey: theres at least one token white person
[7:47:16 AM] Joe Purcell: Well it won't be me because I'll tell them to get the fucking camera away from my face. :3
[7:47:21 AM] Jermainey: a white person...an asian....a black....
[7:47:44 AM] Jermainey: and i guess in canada's case, a native?
[7:47:52 AM] Joe Purcell: Let's see if Ellie Goulding's hoarse voice can shock my system into being awake.
[7:47:59 AM] Jermainey: AHAHAHA
[7:47:59 AM] Joe Purcell: Nah we still don't put those people on things.
[7:48:05 AM] Jermainey: x___x
[7:48:53 AM] Joe Purcell: Also no one would believe that they made it to the college level.
[7:48:55 AM] Joe Purcell: OKAY I'M DONE LOL.
[7:49:13 AM] Jermainey: "THOSE PEOPLE"
[7:49:16 AM] Jermainey:
[7:50:38 AM] Joe Purcell: Hey, at least I gave them the distinction of being people.
[7:50:43 AM] Joe Purcell: That's more than some people I know might do. :3
[7:50:43 AM] Jermainey: OH WOW
[7:50:54 AM] Jermainey: racist canadianssss
[7:50:58 AM] Joe Purcell: #progress #goingtohell
[7:51:37 AM] Jermainey: at least they get recognized up there
[7:51:43 AM] Jermainey: they dont exist here
[7:51:54 AM] Jermainey: only in Nevada....where they own casinos
[7:52:07 AM] Joe Purcell: Huzzah!
[7:52:54 AM] Jermainey: most people here think they throw tomahawks and wear feathers in their hair :3
[7:53:47 AM] Joe Purcell: They don't.
[7:54:19 AM] Joe Purcell: But, ya know, be damned if a white person were to wear feathers in their hair.
[7:54:26 AM] Joe Purcell: I know this native guy, who maybe I've complained about before.
[7:55:19 AM] Joe Purcell: I used to think he was SUPER intelligent and a great representative of his community. Turns out, he's a fucking halfwit. He goes on these FB rampages all the times about how all white people are racist, minorities can't be racist (they CAN discriminate, though!), and takes every thing offensively he possibly can.
[7:55:57 AM] Joe Purcell: Grindr did an upgrade and now has this thing called "Grindr Tribes" which basically is just supposed to be your way of saying if you're a bear/geek/twink/etc, and he was like, "THAT'S FUCKING RACIST, STEALING A WORD FROM FIRST NATIONS PEOPLE GRINDR THAT'S FUCKING RACIST."
[7:56:33 AM] Joe Purcell: And I'm like hold da fuck up. First of all: tribes is an ENGLISH word, not First Nations. Secondly, First Nations people are not the only group of people in the world to have a tribal system. Thirdly, it's no more racist than if it had been "Grindr Industrial Societies."
[7:56:45 AM] Joe Purcell: But when I said anything to him his defense is, "WHAT I CAN'T HAVE AN OPINION?"
[7:56:54 AM] Jermainey: ahahahaha
[7:57:04 AM | Edited 7:57:15 AM] Jermainey: oh lordy someone has a stick up their ass
[7:57:24 AM] Joe Purcell: Yeah. I'm painfully ashamed to admit I've slept with this man.
[7:57:50 AM] Jermainey: LOL!!!!!
[7:58:00 AM] Jermainey: no wonder there is so much ~tension~
[7:58:17 AM] Joe Purcell: He has literally lost like dozens of friends in the last year, I would even say in the hundreds by this point.
[7:58:56 AM] Joe Purcell: Because of this attitude. It definitely started around the time of the last US election.
[7:59:33 AM] Jermainey: hmmm....weird
[8:00:27 AM] Joe Purcell: Well it all started because there was some movement on behalf of the Canadian government to revoke their treaty rights (which I, personally, have no huuuge issue with... we can't pay them back forever ).
[8:00:37 AM] Joe Purcell: And it just so happened to coincide with the US election.
[8:01:03 AM] Joe Purcell: And I remember him posting some statement for his American friends saying "not to do the white thing and vote for Romney." He couldn't understand how this was actually a racist statement to make to, yes, white people.
[8:01:49 AM] Joe Purcell: Then he started going off about some famous Romney quote that was taken out of context about keeping America American or something.
[8:05:03 AM] Jermainey: LOL
[8:05:05 AM] Jermainey: oh god
[8:05:24 AM] Jermainey: i remember the Romney quote
[8:05:46 AM] Jermainey: but he is like
[8:05:57 AM] Jermainey: or was like
[8:06:10 AM | Edited 8:06:17 AM] Jermainey: fighting a losing battle telling people not to vote for Romney
[8:08:57 AM] Jermainey: and with that said
[8:09:00 AM] Jermainey: OFF TO WORK I GO
[8:18:51 AM] Joe Purcell: OFF TO CLASS I GO BAI.

[joe]

[2013-10-07 5:44:58 PM] Ricky: Hows your day
[2013-10-07 5:46:10 PM] Joe Purcell: Hey. Not bad, just got back from the gym. You?
[2013-10-07 5:46:33 PM] Ricky: have been debating whether i am going to try or not to stay haha, long ride home from sacramento to santa cruz basically.
[2013-10-07 5:53:29 PM] Joe Purcell: I'll have to take your word for it. I do not know the distance between those two places.
[2013-10-07 5:53:37 PM] Ricky: haha only 3 hours
[2013-10-07 5:53:45 PM] Joe Purcell: Oh okay lol.
[2013-10-07 5:53:45 PM] Ricky: but our phones were dead, so no music.
[2013-10-07 5:54:19 PM] Ricky: would you be against doing a skype call, i want to talk to you and see if we have any oportunity. i feel like im going no matter what, but id like to try I think.
[2013-10-07 5:58:45 PM] Joe Purcell: I'm fine with talking, but, I don't really wanna do it on call. I really, really hate skype calls. >_>
[2013-10-07 5:59:14 PM] Ricky: i wanted to do it on skype so you could read my better. but we dont have too
[2013-10-07 6:00:39 PM] Ricky: I guess what I was going to say was right now it's like everyone feels like they accomplished something they couldn't do up until now. Nicole and I have been Brahnim and winning alot so it was like we were untouchable. The fact is no matter what once I go and followed by NAX. Who is the next target? I seriously went out of my way and trusted Animal. We had a final three, me, him and nicole -- and when I had a majority. brenda, jedda, nax, nicole, 1 extra vote plus my vote (majority meaning votes) we could have just voted someone else. But we were loyal and did what we said we'd do. I had talked to animal on skype for like the whole week every night for like 5 hours.
[2013-10-07 6:00:54 PM] Ricky: You guys hit the point now where its like a victory, nicole is gone and now im on my way out.
[2013-10-07 6:01:08 PM] Ricky: but me going means that when I go, and when nax goes.
[2013-10-07 6:01:19 PM] Ricky: Woods / Animal / Brenda are going to want you and jermainey out to better their odds to win.
[2013-10-07 6:01:53 PM] Ricky: you and jermainey should really think about not voting me out, don't let this current win cloud you -- because woods left the game and we didn't know he was coming back, and honestly, it was the one person animal said he trusted most.
[2013-10-07 6:02:26 PM] Ricky: Woods also has a free pass to use still, and has brenda completely loyal. Brenda and Animal have lied so much, and they do trust you / think they have you -- but ive been in plenty of calls with allof them talking about you guys cant get close to the final four (you and jermainey.)
[2013-10-07 6:02:39 PM] Ricky: so thats really all I can say... and i feel like it'll be a 5-4 vote, me leaving.
[2013-10-07 6:02:56 PM] Ricky: but im basically alone, the ONE person I trusted the most is gone -- and the other one I trusted and changed my game for Animal, screwed me.
[2013-10-07 6:10:47 PM] Joe Purcell: I want you to know that I think, personally, you are a great guy. We have been very open with one another about personal things, and despite what I may or may not do in this game, I don't take personal relationships lightly. In my opinion, however, you have been in control for a very, very long time in this game. For the most part, all of the people you wanted gone... went. For the most part. As I've told Nax just a few minutes ago, I am a very loyal player. To a fault. I'm sure I've mentioned that to you before. Loyalty, however, expires when I find out that someone is not loyal to me. The moment that came for you and I, was the round that Jedda showed me a quote of you wanting to blindside me. You said that you liked me, but said: "so let's blindside joe lol?" Maybe that was taken out of context somehow, but as I also told David, you still refrained to tell me about it, and then pretended as though, after the fact, that you did not know it might happen and that it was all up in the air. You pretty much flatout lied. I can't pretend I'm innocent of this, given the events of last round, and I felt bad, but it was sort of a necessary evil to oust Nicole.
[2013-10-07 6:11:17 PM] Joe Purcell: I understand all of the things you're saying. But I don't know how I'm supposed to be able to trust you within the confines of this game, even if your #1 ally is now gone.
[2013-10-07 6:13:06 PM] Ricky: I never once said I didn't know you were going to get the votes at all. I told you it was awkward and I did'nt know what to say to you. At that point I felt like you were being very uncommital towards me and I didn't know where my opinion should sway. The Jedda thing was a half joke and half serious. I remmeber the exact moments -- I just didn't want Jedda to go, who as you can see is not my little bitch and doesn't do anything or everything I say. I did do really well in this game but obviously the mighty has fallen. I'm now literally just a distraction.
[2013-10-07 6:13:34 PM] Ricky: I may have been in the past a really strong player but alot of my loyal friends and alliances are out. If I go, it may have been the good thing if I was still the mighty and powerful, but im not.
[2013-10-07 6:14:04 PM] Ricky: Now im a distraction and I will go this round, then david followed by you and jermainey -- they would be STUPID not too. As for our friendship, you're my friend and I adore you. It has nothing to do with the game, and I mean that.
[2013-10-07 6:14:13 PM] Ricky: If I leave I'll go head up high and I can honestly say I had fun.
[2013-10-07 6:14:40 PM] Ricky: No one ever though makes moves like im offering you cause they have comfort in knowing that it's an accomplishment. Like yay, ricky is finally going -- his reign of terror is over.
[2013-10-07 6:14:53 PM] Ricky: but if im not in power who is, its not you joe -- its animal and woods, and who's the next big threat after me?
[2013-10-07 6:15:27 PM] Ricky: I ask you to help me and to help yourself, I've been loyal. I even went as far to throw all my power into your guys trust, cause I knew if I didn't start trusting people other then Nicole then what am I doing eitherway.
[2013-10-07 6:19:02 PM] Joe Purcell: You... make a lot of good points, I'll have to admit. And I will think about them.
[2013-10-07 6:19:17 PM] Joe Purcell: Because I don't want to play to only be ousted after you and Nax left.
[2013-10-07 6:19:43 PM] Ricky: You're a winner and you won a good ammount of challenges. They would be stupid to take you to the final four. I have EVERYTHIG to offer now, my ties are broken.
[2013-10-07 6:19:59 PM] Ricky: Before you and I couldn't make a deal, im on my deathbed and sure I may not be having this exact conversation with you if I weren't so.
[2013-10-07 6:20:35 PM] Ricky: but here's life and here's where I am at the moment in this game. Animal backstabbed me, alliance broken -- Nicole is ogne, alliance gone. Nax and I are a rock road, but we stick it out -- and have since day one. Nax likes you, I like you -- you and Jermainey are going to need help.
[2013-10-07 6:20:43 PM] Ricky: Jedda WILL side with Animal, and Woods has Brenda.
[2013-10-07 6:21:10 PM] Ricky: I'll give you any offer you want and I'll hold to it -- I do my best to not lie, and you know what I've had too, but I am in no place right now to be lying.
[2013-10-07 6:24:56 PM] Joe Purcell: I can consider what you're saying for now, anyway. It's a lot to think over.
[2013-10-07 6:25:05 PM] Joe Purcell: In the meantime, I have to go make supper. We can talk later.
[2013-10-07 6:25:17 PM] Ricky: ok sounds good to me, i'll be around.
[2013-10-07 6:25:25 PM] Joe Purcell: KK.

[joe]

[2013-10-07 1:06:19 AM] David Oberholzer: Oh, Joe.... SO MEAN!
[2013-10-07 5:36:14 PM] David Oberholzer: Drop me a line when you get in, man. Don't worry, no confrontation about the Swap thing (unless you want to talk about it) - I just figure it sets us back on even footing. This is about the vote. Let's work out what works best for both of us.
[2013-10-07 5:43:03 PM] Joe Purcell: Hey. Sorry, I peaced out quickly after the vote last night, and then was pretty much busy for the majority of the day.
[2013-10-07 5:43:32 PM] Joe Purcell: As for last night, I'm sure you are a bit... curious, and possibly annoyed. Although I somehow imagine Ricky is more pissed than you. >_>
[2013-10-07 5:43:51 PM] David Oberholzer: By a long shot! LOL!
[2013-10-07 5:44:39 PM] David Oberholzer: It's OK, Joe - I wasn't the target, and that's good enoughf or me. As for the Swap, I figure that was justified payback. Also, I had the rupees.
[2013-10-07 5:45:16 PM] Joe Purcell: I really would have rathered it was someone else, but given the circumstances, you were the best option.
[2013-10-07 5:45:28 PM] David Oberholzer: But hey, that's past. Let's talk about what's next
[2013-10-07 5:45:56 PM] David Oberholzer: The way I see it, you and I working together are in a powerful position.
[2013-10-07 5:46:23 PM] David Oberholzer: There are basically two camps, right now - pro Ricky and con Ricky.
[2013-10-07 5:46:46 PM] David Oberholzer: If we rotate the vote between the two camps for a couple rounds, we can control this game.
[2013-10-07 5:47:42 PM] Joe Purcell: Well, here is my thing.
[2013-10-07 5:50:13 PM] Joe Purcell: I'm sure that you would be totally fine with me voting out con-Ricky people at this moment. The issue with that is, as much as I think he is a really great guy and, personally, this is a tough position for me to be in, I flat out do not trust Ricky. No way, no how. And that bridge was officially burnt with me the day that Jedda came to me and told me that Ricky wanted to blindside me. He showed me a direct quote from Ricky. Furthermore, Jedda insisted that your claims that you were never -for- it were totally false. Maybe he's lying, I don't know, but the fact of the matter is that you neglected to let me know I would be going in any way when you very clearly had an idea of it. I know that you and Ricky are close, and I'm sure you would love to separate yourself from him right now if you could. I told you that I am loyal to a fault, the issue is, I'm only loyal to people up to the point that I've discovered that they are not loyal to me.
[2013-10-07 5:51:12 PM] Joe Purcell: And I know that both you and Ricky have built relationships with most people in the game. It is of my opinion that the two of you have been trying to work me from both sides since very early on in the game. You come to me, tell me that Ricky can't be trusted, but no proposition to move against him is brought up. He comes to me, tells me that you can't be trusted, but similarly, nothing is done against you.
[2013-10-07 5:51:50 PM] David Oberholzer: I'm going to let you finish before I respond.
[2013-10-07 5:53:06 PM] Joe Purcell: I am sure that you are going to try and convince me that that was, indeed, not the case. I just did not see any room for myself in an alliance of you, Jedda, Brookie, Ricky, and Nicole. Maybe things may have changed as time went on, but it was definitely not a for sure thing, so I decided last round to take preventative measures.
[2013-10-07 5:53:32 PM] David Oberholzer: Reasonable.
[2013-10-07 5:54:14 PM] David Oberholzer: I definitely worked you - guilltily - that first Brookie vote that she had the amulet.
[2013-10-07 5:54:37 PM] David Oberholzer: The fact that Ricky has been trying to convince you that I can't be trust is news to me. This is the FIRST I knew of it.
[2013-10-07 5:55:12 PM] David Oberholzer: Which means that's he's trying to cut me out, or trying to create the appearance of distance. But the fact that he's not been telling me about it is really no surprise.
[2013-10-07 5:56:03 PM] David Oberholzer: As for Jedda's claim that I was in favor... I think he believed it. He's not around all that much when the rest of us are. As I recall, he came into that discussion later, after Ricky made it clear that I couldn't stop it.
[2013-10-07 5:56:49 PM] David Oberholzer: And you're right, I didn't tell you. I was still trying to be loyal to Ricky at that point, even though I believed - but couldn't prove - that he was playing his own game, and that his only real loyalty was for Nicole.
[2013-10-07 5:57:42 PM] David Oberholzer: But again, things have changed. I'm about to burn my bridge with Ricky. But I can't do it without help. Both Woods and Brenda owe me, but I'm pretty sure that both of those, if they repay at all, will be one shots.
[2013-10-07 5:57:54 PM] David Oberholzer: What I'm looking for is a partner, not a temporary agreement.
[2013-10-07 5:58:00 PM] David Oberholzer: Ricky clearly isn't it.
[2013-10-07 6:05:12 PM] Joe Purcell: I am open to considering things. Always. For the meantime, as far as I know, you won't be going this round.
[2013-10-07 6:07:50 PM] David Oberholzer: OK. If that remains true, and that's all I can hope for, I'm satisfied. If it's Ricky, I'm happy with that. But I shoudl warn you that Jedda is much better at this stuff than Ricky is. Ricky's just more blatant about it.
[2013-10-07 6:11:47 PM] Joe Purcell: Yes, well, he was the one to come to me and tell me about Ricky's plan to blindside me.
[2013-10-07 6:13:36 PM] David Oberholzer: Yup. He uses that sort of thing to gain trust. Don't hold it against him. He's good at it, but he's also a good guy.
[2013-10-07 6:13:47 PM] David Oberholzer: Now it's my turn.
[2013-10-07 6:14:27 PM] David Oberholzer: Ricky is planning on voting Animal this time. He wants me to get your vote to do it. I know that if this vote doesn't go as he plans, he'll make our remaining time here miserable.
[2013-10-07 6:14:46 PM] David Oberholzer: Voting Jedda is a better idea, but I'd much prefer Ricky goes before I have to deal with the fallout.
[2013-10-07 6:15:11 PM] David Oberholzer: He IS a friend. It will hurt to deal with his rage after he realizes I betrayed him.
[2013-10-07 6:16:26 PM] David Oberholzer: Ricky will be approaching Jermainey (and is probably already talking to you, looking to make you more loyal to him than to me)
[2013-10-07 6:19:54 PM] Joe Purcell: Well, he is talking to me, yes. But he hasn't said anything scathing about you at this moment.
[2013-10-07 6:20:49 PM] David Oberholzer: Right now, he's probably trying to just be the hero. Since he's convincing you to vote with him AND me, he probably won't.
[2013-10-07 6:20:57 PM] David Oberholzer: Ricky's slick, but predictable.
[2013-10-07 6:22:55 PM] David Oberholzer: You realize I've just put my life in this game in your hands. You can destroy me with one copy-paste. That's how much faith I'm putting in the partnership I want to build with you.
[2013-10-07 6:23:40 PM] Joe Purcell: I know. Fortunately, I haven't made much use of copying and pasting conversations so far.
[2013-10-07 6:24:09 PM] David Oberholzer: Ricky does it all the time. I do it occasionally, just to make sure people know I'm not lying to them.
[2013-10-07 6:25:13 PM] Joe Purcell: Right.
[2013-10-07 6:25:20 PM] Joe Purcell: Anyway, can we chat later? I have to go make supper.
[2013-10-07 6:25:29 PM] David Oberholzer: Absolutely.
[2013-10-07 6:25:38 PM] Joe Purcell: KK. We'll chat later then.
[2013-10-07 6:25:45 PM] David Oberholzer: quick note - if I'm safe, nothing has to be decided this round.
[2013-10-07 6:26:03 PM] Joe Purcell: Okay. You are safe regardless of what happens this round, I can say with like 99% certainty.
[2013-10-07 6:26:12 PM] David Oberholzer: Thank you.