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Woods
Oct 17, 2013 21:10:18 GMT -5
Post by Sandy on Oct 17, 2013 21:10:18 GMT -5
Woods, please post your Questions/Statements to Animal, Brenda & Joe.
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Woods
Oct 18, 2013 21:27:51 GMT -5
Post by Woods on Oct 18, 2013 21:27:51 GMT -5
I stand before you, happy as hell. This is just a game and I am very happy that the final 3 is three people that I worked with majority of the game. Regardless of what you did to me, personally, you guys all played an awesome game... you each played it in a way that helped you get to where you are and you can't do anything but respect that.
Brenda - people are going to say you are undeserving and weak... but you are sitting there and we are sitting here... your spot at this final tribal council proves that you are just as dangerous and strong as the two gentlemen you are sitting next to. People will say you didn't play the game... but thats because you didn't flip flop EVERY week... you flipped once because you knew it was in the best interest of your game and you stayed loyal to the end and I think that worked out very well for you. You didn't have to be a challenge threat or a social butterfly to make it to where you are; that says something. People had plenty of opportunity to vote you out yet you still remained in the game. Individual BIG MOVES are just as important and relevant as TEAM BIG MOVES... because some people thought this was a team game and got lost in the shuffle! Your individual game play got RICKY and NICOLE out... you were very crucial to this game. Don't let anyone take that away from you. They will call you a GOAT... but I'd rather be a GOAT than a RODENT... I don't really have a question for you... because the rest of these bitter bettys are going to make you explain how you played the game and why you weren't up their asses... so I will give you a free pass on my end! I'll read anything you'd like to write though because I do enjoy our conversations! Best of luck!
Joe - I think I have the most mixed emotions on you... I respect your play but I think you are the one I'm most disappointed with. I expected a knife in my back from Jermaine.. no big deal... but I would of at least expected a "yes, its you" from you. After that immunity challenge, I came to you guys and said, "haha, wow guys, is it me tonight?" and jermaine gave his little emoji face and you said OH no, its not you, its still Ricky...5 votes later, I was gone. The funny part was... you'd be sitting in the same spot if you would of voted RICKY out that week... i was loyal to no end with you... and you tossed me to the side. When we ended up on the same tribe at TC, I threw a hissy fit, told people i was over this game, vote me out and that I was giving you my amulet that Brenda gave me... and people voted for me, not you... and this is how you repaid me? If thats not why it went down that way, so be it.. thats how it appeared and how I will interpret it. We swapped stories, we talked on levels that I only talked with 1 or 2 other people with. Your lack of respect is what may cost you my vote. I respect your game play, I will be OK with you winning but I don't think you'll be winning with my vote. From your opening speech... did you decide to get rid of me because I was a challenge threat("Challenge prowess")? because I won some duels against weak people?!?! Did beating Quanz, Zack and Lexi really give me that much credibility? Dont comment on anything else but my questions, please and thank you!
Animal - I am very happy to be talking with you right now in this position. If I couldn't be over there, I was rooting for you to be there... we worked together since round 1 when we formed #AnimalHouse! Way to represent #AnimalHouse in the finals! With that said... the thing I like the most about you... you did what YOU needed to do in order to advance YOUR game... you didnt follow the crowd... yes, you were a rodent for a little bit... but you had to do what you had to do to advance your game when things weren't going the way they needed to. Then I came back into the game post my redemption cove reign of dominance! I remember the night you said to me, "could you hear it in my voice, how nervous I was, when I gave you the amulet back!" -- thats the night you showed what type of player you were; loyal and trustworthy! Ricky Rodent will try to make you look untrustworthy and demand you answer if you would of voted for me if you could... and honestly, WHY WOULDN'T HE? It was already 5 - 3... If you would have voted for me / wanted to vote for me, I would have understood that... why not go with the majority so that you don't put a target on your back? That will not impact my vote! You played the GAME for YOU... and no one can fault you for that. Every move you made got you here and that is mucho respectable! Nothing but respect for you... no question but like Brenda, if you want to respond, I would love to read it... but I would really prefer if you let me hear your voice and see your facial expressions as you respond to my rant and rave through webcam!
In the end, hopefully India will allow Survivor to end the same way it started... with Animal in the first spot of the cast picture! ( Aaron doesn't count because he quit! )
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 1:36:14 GMT -5
Post by cody on Oct 19, 2013 1:36:14 GMT -5
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 6:55:20 GMT -5
Post by Woods on Oct 19, 2013 6:55:20 GMT -5
Showmance vs bromance... Bromance wins! Thanks for the video! "and yeah!"
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joe
Joe
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 17:50:11 GMT -5
Post by joe on Oct 19, 2013 17:50:11 GMT -5
Hey, Woods. Coming into this FTC, your question was one of the ones I was most anxious to see, because I assumed and understood there would be some hurt feelings involved. I guess first and foremost, I want to apologize for having hurt you personally. I don’t apologize for it having been a game move because I am sitting here right now, so, I think it was right for me in a strategic sense.
I didn’t just get rid of you for being a challenge threat (I was just saying in my opening speech that it did contribute to giving you a bigger target on your back as we got further along, and this was partially justification for why I didn’t want a label like “challenge beast”), although I will admit it did factor into my decision heavily. You did beat the most people at Redemption Cove and I think, had you spent a longer time there, you could have continued to do so, so I think you’re underselling yourself when you say you just beat a few weak people (who I don’t think were really that weak, to be honest). But aside from that, I voted you out because I did think, combined with your potential challenge abilities, you stood a good chance at making it to the final three and, despite your rocky relationship with Nax, Ricky, and Nicole, you could have easily earned many votes since you survived RC and came back into the game. At the time I voted you out, my final three alliance was with Animal and Jermaine, but I could never be sure that you, Animal, and Brenda might not pull something against the two remaining winners in the game at the final five. So, part of it was sort of a precautionary measure, while we were up in numbers against the other “side,” to further ensure Animal’s loyalty to me. It was also partly to ingratiate myself with Ricky, Nax, and Jedda in case things happened to go awry continuing further into the game, as I knew Jermaine was voting for you and would likely have remained steadfast in a revote even if I wasn’t for the idea of voting for you, and I believe that you would have gone regardless given that you had past votes and Ricky, at the time, had zero.
In addition to all that, I did find you to be an unpredictable player, and I was concerned that you seemed a bit stubborn in wanting things your way… which is an issue for me, since I want things my way. Heh. During the round where you lied to get people to vote for you instead of me on Vaishya, you strongly advocated for a vote against Jedda to the point that I was almost unsure I could convince you otherwise, and you seemed pretty disappointed when I wouldn’t agree to it. When I approached you saying we needed to vote out Nicole at the final ten, you also said that you were just gonna take a backseat to the plans. So basically, I needed someone I was sure I could trust implicitly without worrying about any unpredictable, potentially damaging (to myself) behaviour, and unfortunately, I wasn’t sure I could with you, in spite of you having pulled through for me in the past.
So yeah. To sum up, the factors that led to me casting my vote for you were your potential challenge abilities; the fact that had you made the F3, your “story” might have proven very effective at earning votes; further ensuring Animal’s loyalty to me; my unease with what you could have potentially pulled off going further into the game; and as a bonus for me, to ingratiate myself with the opposing side since, even if I didn’t vote for you, you probably would have gone that round anyway.
I hope that I answered your question. If you need to know anything else, fire away.
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 18:05:07 GMT -5
Post by Woods on Oct 19, 2013 18:05:07 GMT -5
A vote against Jedda... because he was obviously working with Ricky... and I wanted my big move of the game because I knew the rodents would get me out evidently... but its ok.. we left Jedda in the game, he gave his rupees to Ricky... ended up an untouchable with Ricky... and ricky ended up going home... so in the end, I am glad we kept him there! I took a backseat to your plan to get rid of nicole because no one in this game at that time, could be trusted besides animal, you and brenda... i didn't want to talk to anyone other than you three... which is why I let you do the work. When I tried moves earlier in the game, the only time they worked is when I kept them as close to the chest as possible. and no mention of the ASSUMPTION that I would use the express pass to avoid untouchables / tribal council you jumped on the Jermaine band wagon on an assumption, yet you said you always went into a round knowing what was going on... so I dont know if you were truly aware of everything you said you were... granted, you were right. I was going to use my express pass at the Final 7... but under the assumption that the untouchable elimination would cover the elimination for the final 7... meaning I'd come back to my entire alliance and one less rodent! I wasn't unpredictable... you had perception and reality confused.You went with what EVERYONE else told you..
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Joe
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 18:38:19 GMT -5
Post by joe on Oct 19, 2013 18:38:19 GMT -5
Honestly, the whole thing about you using your express pass was never an issue with me. That was an issue with Jermaine. I actually spent quite a bit of time telling him that a scenario where Untouchables occurred next and the players still in the game attended TC as well and you used your express pass was a really weird and highly unlikely scenario that he was stressing over way too much. Those were Jermaine's motivations; they weren't mine.
I understand your reasoning behind the attempt at a Jedda vote. With that, I just didn't want to potentially sacrifice my game so you could say you made a huge move, on which I think there is too much emphasis placed in these games. If I had joined you in that, I would have directly pissed off several people with whom at the time I was trying to remain friendly, and it would have brought me out underneath a bigger spotlight. I obviously wanted Ricky's allies out as well, but I had to wait for a time when I could do it without there being seriously negative repercussions.
Anyway, with those things combined, I'm not necessarily saying that you are, 100%, undeniably a predictable person, but I am saying that these things did contribute to a feeling of overall unease with me to you in a strategic sense. It just worked out that I had more trust in Animal and Jermaine than you, and while I'd have been just as fine voting you out at the final five instead (which was kinda what I had originally planned on doing), it so happened that your time came at the final eight. And like I said, you were done for regardless of whether or not I voted for you, due to what would happen in the instance of a tie-breaker. I could have easily voted to keep you that round, and you would be sitting here a little less bummed with me, but I chose to vote for you, use my knowledge of this vote to gain favour with Animal (who knew you were going, so, I'm not exactly alone here in not telling you... the only people that didn't know were you and Brenda), and also use my participation in this vote to gain favour with Jedda/Ricky/Nax in case Untouchables did not happen the next round and something else might go down.
So, yeah. I do believe I went into each round aware of what would happen. I didn't go with what everyone else told me about you. I'm not that kind of person. If I did what people told me to do without thinking it would benefit me in anyway whatsoever, this final three would not be the same.
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 18:44:48 GMT -5
Post by Woods on Oct 19, 2013 18:44:48 GMT -5
Lets not pass the blame on Animal... but he wasn't here when that went down. He said, "i have to leave I voted for Ricky".. then we talked for a bit and I asked you specifically... and you lied... but I respect the mess out of your answers and your effort in answering them!
thanks joe! It was an honor and a pleasure playing along side of you in this game! You are a good representation of the type of people I like to play these games with. Glad you are one of the people sitting over there compared to some of the people sitting over here... let's see who feels guilty and jumps down my throat for that one!
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joe
Joe
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 18:52:33 GMT -5
Post by joe on Oct 19, 2013 18:52:33 GMT -5
I'm not passing the blame on Animal. I fully own having voted you out of this game. I'm just saying that, while I did leave Animal with doubts about what may happen before he voted for Ricky, he was very aware that there was a strong chance you were going:
[2013-10-09 10:20:52 PM] Cody [Animal] Lasso: okay lol [2013-10-09 10:20:56 PM] Cody [Animal] Lasso: as long as its not for me [2013-10-09 10:21:13 PM] Cody [Animal] Lasso: and if jedda/nax/ricky wind up voting me (3 me, 3 ricky, 2 woods) pls don't let me go D:
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 18:59:03 GMT -5
Post by Woods on Oct 19, 2013 18:59:03 GMT -5
but the fact of the matter is.... I ASKED YOU... YOU = JOE... YOU doesn't equal ANIMAL...
Copy and paste, highlight it,bold it... i dont care what you do... the fact that YOU lied... doesn't go away.
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joe
Joe
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 19:09:34 GMT -5
Post by joe on Oct 19, 2013 19:09:34 GMT -5
Woods, I know I lied to you. I deceived several people sitting on the jury. This is the last I'll bring it up since it doesn't seem we are seeing eye to eye on it, but again, I'm not trying to say that any of what happened was Animal's fault, but your concern seemed to lie in the fact that people you were working with didn't let you know you were going, and the blame for this seems to be placed squarely on my shoulders when I am not the only one responsible.
I didn't tell you you were going because I didn't want any last minute scrambling against me. I know you can make the argument of "well what could I have possibly done in that timeframe?" But I don't like to discount anything when I'm not immune. You could just as easily have said in those last few minutes, "Hey guys, Joe's a lying, deceitful piece of shit who has won this game before! Why not just vote HIM out tonight instead while we have the chance?" Furthermore, on top of all that, last minute or not, I'll own up to the fact that it is pretty damn awkward to come up to someone and say, "Hey, just so you know, I'm voting you out." It's easier to do that with people like Ricky and Nax, with whom it was sorta clear I was not exactly on their side. It's a lot harder to do with someone I was strongly connected with and who does not suspect it. I didn't exactly revel in your vote-off after it happened. I did it for strategic reasons, and felt personally bad for it later, even moreso when Animal came to me and told me that you told him that you were surprised/hurt by me voting you out.
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 19:22:49 GMT -5
Post by Woods on Oct 19, 2013 19:22:49 GMT -5
You could just as easily have said in those last few minutes, "Hey guys, Joe's a lying, deceitful piece of shit who has won this game before! Why not just vote HIM out tonight instead while we have the chance?" ---> Why would I say that against someone I was aligned with and wanted to go to the end with?
Its all good though. Im over it. thank you for the effort in to this... may earn my vote!
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joe
Joe
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 19:25:56 GMT -5
Post by joe on Oct 19, 2013 19:25:56 GMT -5
Well because then it would have saved you maybe, silly! :-P
Anyway, it's no problem, Woods. I enjoyed having this debate. I'll respect whatever decision you make!
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Woods
Oct 19, 2013 19:30:02 GMT -5
Post by Woods on Oct 19, 2013 19:30:02 GMT -5
Im just going to vote for Honey and call it a day!!!
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Woods
Oct 20, 2013 8:18:22 GMT -5
Post by cody on Oct 20, 2013 8:18:22 GMT -5
From what I remember, I actually didn't know it was gonna be Woods? You guys told me it was a possibility and since I had to go, I just voted for Ricky and left.
When you told me for sure it was Woods, I was already gone and only on Skype from my phone which I didn't check until even after TC results were up.
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